Hi all,
Now that i'm almost ready to move to the USA there's one thing bothering me, and that's how people mention adresses.
I've only been learned to say;
[Street name] - [house number] - [zip code] - [city name] - [state/province] - [country] in that order.
However, when talking to friends of co-workers they often say something like "I'm at 27th at Diedra in Tacoma" even though both of these are street names bordering eachother and the city name(North 27th street, Diedra Circle and the city of Tacoma)
What is the logic behind this and how do I apply it in conversations?
For instance, if I theoretically live at 1920 N Tyler St, which is bordering N 21st St, how would you say that to someone?
23 comments
EpiZirco•
Zip code always goes after the state. You don’t need to worry about specifying the country, because Americans assume that no other countries exist.
LotusGrowsFromMud•
Also, the house numbers may not be said as you would expect. For example, 843 Oak St would be “eight forty three oak street” and 1256 Oak St would be “twelve fifty-six oak street.”
Additional-Tap8907•
You would say “27th AND Diedra,” in the example you give. Not “at.”
imyourdackelberry•
If you live at the corner of two streets (or you’re giving the intersection of two streets for context), you would say “I live at N 21st and N Tyler”
No_Curve_5479•
When someone would say something like "I'm at 27th at Diedra" I'd typically say "27th and Diedra" which would mean you're at approximately where the 2 streets would intersect. As for the order, It's \[House number\] > \[Street name\]>\[City Name\]>\[State\]>\[Zip code\] in American English.
As for your example address, if you wanted to give an approximate, I'd say "at N Tyler and 21st" but if you wanted to give someone your exact address it would be 1920 N Tyler St.
I hope this makes sense.
haus11•
Usually, its house number, street, city, state, zip. However, 1920 N Tyler street doesn't necessarily mean much to someone unless they are plugging it into a GPS. Saying, "Tyler St near 21st St" kind of gives a reference to where on Tyler St it is because Tyler St could be miles long and unless you're someplace like NYC or Chicago with a hard street grid where the block numbering is more or less consistent the cross street helps more often than the actual house number.
jwismar•
An actual address, with very few exceptions (Salt Lake City, I'm looking at you), will look like 123 Main Street, Anytown, New York 12345
If there's an apartment number, or suite, or building number, it would be mentioned after the street. 987 Front Road, Apartment 1, Othertown, California 54321
Postal codes in particular are in a 5-digit + 4-digit format, but in everyday use, everyone always uses only the first 5 digits. (This identifies the specific post office.)
MadDocHolliday•
If someone is familiar with the area/city, telling them, "It's on the corner of Diedra and 27th" may be appropriate. You're assuming they know where those 2 streets are and where they intersect, so they'll be able to find it easily. It's similar to giving them landmarks; "It's on 47th street, right before you get to the big brick church with the steeple."
Telling them "1920 N Tyler Street" might be more accurate, but they would most likely have to use Google Maps or something to find out where that address is, even if they're familiar with the area.
Also, I think you got the order wrong in your description when saying the address. It should be house number, street name, city, state, zip code, country. "1920 N Tyler Street, Tacoma, Washington, 98406, USA." Obviously, you wouldn't typically need to say the country in day to day conversation.
theTeaEnjoyer•
Other people have answered your question pretty well already so I won't repeat what they said, but I also wanted to mention: the ZIP code is not supposed to go after the street address, it's supposed to go _after_ the city and state! It's not information for humans, it's information for mail sorting machines, only include it when you're addressing mail or asked to write it on a form or something.
Full order looks like this:
[Apartment number, if relevant]
[House number] [street name]
[City], [State] [ZIP code]
Practical example:
Apt. 123
456 Example St.
Newark, NJ 07105
InvestigatorJaded261•
Cross streets are useful in the US as streets can be VERY long, and much of the country is arranged in a grid. Where I live, in MA this is less true, and so giving locations this way is a little bit less common. But you’ll still hear “I’m at the corner of Pleasant and Elm” and things like that.
SirSkot72•
Typically, there's a "grid" where your address is how many streets north or south of a central point or border, and how many east-west. then how many houses are from that point, numbered by tens to allow for splits/expansions. so in your example, "1920 N Taylor" would be "19 streets north on Taylor Street, the second house on the right" (odd numbers on one side, even on the other). 1921 would be across the street, 1910 and 1930 would be next to it.
"27th and Diedra" would be the intersection of 27th street and Diedra street. Usually, Numbered streets run north-south, named streets run east-west (or vice versa, varies by city). The city I grew up in was divided by a river and major highway, so that intersection divided it nicely into north, south, and east, west quadrants. then streets were named "Avenue" or "street" depending on where it was in the city. "13th street" might change to "13th avenue" after crossing the bridge.
But again, it varies by city and geography.
Imightbeafanofthis•
Address number tells you the exact house. Naming street and cross street or other major identifying landmarks is a way of pinpointing the location within a certain locale. For instance, if I lived in San Francisco I might tell you I lived at 102 Beverly street in San Francisco. If you were coming to visit, I would add that the closest cross street is Holloway, and Beverly is one block over from Junipero Serra, a major thoroughfare.
JaneGoodallVS•
123 Fake Steet, Oakland, California nine-four-six-o-seven.
Notice the lack of a comma in between the state and the ZIP, and the zero being pronounced like the letter O.
Distinct_Damage_735•
A minor correction: it should be "how do I **say**" or how do I **pronounce** addresses in American English". "Speak out" has a connotation of "bring attention to an issue", like "The student *spoke out about* discrimination in the school system."
Sitting_In_A_Lecture•
I've always spoken it how it'd be put on a piece of mail, with country omitted:
\[House Number\] \[Street Name\] {Apartment Number} \[City\] \[State\] \[5-Digit Zip Code\]
kmoonster•
You would say "Nineteen-Twenty North Tyler Street". but that's a bit specific unless you're inviting them over.
I usually name the neighborhood or a landmark. "I live near X park", or something like that.
If you are planning to meet someone for a game or a meeting or something you can call them once you are arrived and say "I'm at 19th and Tyler, by the yellow lamp post, there's an empty bench here". That's not an address, it's a location - and for purposes of meeting up with someone that is usually enough.
You only need to include the city and zip code if you are confirming your address for something being shipped or mailed, perhaps for rideshare if there is a similar address or street name somewhere else in the city.
kmoonster•
If you recall doing graphs in grade school or using squared-grid paper for algebra/math in high school, US streets are mostly organized on a similar pattern.
Each city (or township, or county) has a "baseline" road from which all addresses for the area originate.
In my area, the east/west running street serving as a baseline is called "Ellsworth". The parallel street north of this is 1st, the next one is 2nd, etc. up to something like 160th. Some have other names, like "State Street" or "Broadway", or are named after people or local landmarks, some are named for trees, etc. but the number system underlays the name so that addresses remain consistent.
Between 10th and 11th the addresses start with "10", for example: 1002, 1008, 1010, 1014, 1003, 1005, 1013, etc. with even numbers (2, 8, 10) on one side and odd numbers (3, 5, 13) on the other side.
Then you cross 11th and you get 1101, 1105, 1107, 1109, 1111, 1104, 1106, 1110, 1112, etc.
If an address is 1902 Tyler Street, you are on Tyler Street at a point 19 blocks (grid segments) removed from the baseline "zero" street.
You don't necessarily have every number in the sequence. Those numbers do exist, but they aren't necessarily assigned, the address usually depends on where the driveway or primary entrance is located along the street - so some numbers are assigned (where the driveway or entrance is) and others are skipped (where there is just landscaping, a wall, etc).
There is a second overlaid grid for going north/south, just like an X, Y graph in math class; the only difference is that you use the street *name* as one of the coordinate points. (If the street name *is* a number then you obvioiusly have two numbers, for example: 1547 20th Avenue; where you are on 20th at a point 15 blocks from the baseline).
Most start in the middle of the city/area and go out in all directions so you have "North Main Street" and "South Main Street". North Main Street is just main street going *north* from Ellsworth, and South Main Street is just normal Main Street but going *south* with Ellsworth as the zero point. A few may start one or both baselines along an edge rather than the middle of the area, especially if your county is an entire address grid unto itself but if you are living in a major city like Seattle chances are your city or metropolitan area will have its own internal grid or grids custom specific to that city or cities.
Change out "Ellsworth" or "Main Street" or whatever for the streets in the area you'll be living in.
edit: if you are at 1920 N Tyler, and the next street north of you is 21st, that means 20th is physically absent in that location but it is not absent from the address system. As you go north toward 21st you'll see addresses: 1904, 1906, 1910, 1912, 1916, 2000, 2002, 2006, etc. The property where you see the shift from 19 to 20 is the location where 20th *would* be if it had been built in that location, but it wasn't built for whatever reason.
z_woody•
Small additional detail that omitting won’t prevent you from being understood but mastering will make you appear more fluent: the preposition you choose matters.
If I say I’m “on” a street, I mean my address is physically connected to that street. If I say I’m “by” or “near” or “around” a street, I mean that’s the closest street that I’m not currently on.
There are a few different scenarios where these rules would apply:
• you’re at an intersection, or within 2-3 buildings of it: “I’m on 27th and Diedra”
• you’re on 27th, but Diedra is the closest intersecting street: “I’m on 27th, by Diedra”
• you’re somewhere that spans multiple streets, and you want to identify your location relative to the nearest street(s) (most common if you’re at a large public park or mall with multiple road entrances): “I’m by 27th and Diedra”
Additionally, the specificity of your address changes based on its intended purpose. I’m sure every language does this, but I’m going through how we do it for the sake of completeness:
• if you want to give someone a general location, either because they’re unfamiliar with the area or want to know at a glance how faraway the place you’re talking about is, it’s more common to reference a landmark than a street address. If I’m recommending a restaurant to my friend, I’m much more likely to say it’s “by the mall” or “on 27th, by the mall” than to give two streets, because they’re more likely to have a good idea about how long it takes to get to the mall than to 27th and Diedra. Note that people who live in cities with a consistent numbered grid, like New York, will know just fine where something is by its street address, but only because their streets are so orderly.
• the advice most people are giving in this thread, including the advice I gave above, is mostly related to spoken conversation or when someone’s trying to meet up with you but they aren’t driving to you. If they’re under 60, driving to meet you, and communicating via text, text them your address.
Bastyra2016•
I don’t live in a city -people I meet can easily live 30+ miles away from me so when someone in a polite conversation asks where I live I don’t give them my exact address as it would likely be meaningless to them. I tell them 1) I live in Blake county off Highway 20. If they seem interested or familiar with the area I’ll add - you turn left at the little store and I live in a neighborhood about a mile before the boat launch. Obviously if they are coming over I give them my full address.
awksomepenguin•
Something like "27th and Diedra" is telling you the intersection of two streets. It's a shorthand way of telling you the general area of where something is. It might be on any one of the four corners formed by those two streets, but just the intersection is usually enough information for someone familiar with the city to find you. But if you have the actual address, you just use that.
Desperate_Owl_594•
I would say "I live on \[number\] on \[street\] and \[street\]" is also a common format, but only when people are comfortable with the city. Definitely not to someone who isn't from the city.
redceramicfrypan•
These are two different conventions: giving out an *address* (an exact location) and giving out a *cross street* (an approximate location).
When giving an address, you typically say "[Number] [Street Name] [Street type—Road, Avenue, etc.—sometimes omitted]." You can stop there if the town is implied, or you can add [City], [State], and even [Zip Code] if contextually appropriate.
When giving a cross street, you typically say "[Street Name] and [Street Name]," meaning the nearest intersection of two roads. This is typically done when the person you are talking to is familiar with the area and isn't going to need to look up the location.
iamcleek•
\>\[Street name\] - \[house number\] - \[zip code\] - \[city name\] - \[state/province\] - \[country\]
in the US, the order is:
\[house number\] \[Street name\], \[city name\], \[state/province\], \[zip code\]
123 Main St, East Moistburg, TN, 12345