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How to actually get to native speaker level?

Asleep-Eggplant-6337
I really feel my English has plateaued. I live in the US, work full time, talk to my neighbor and coworkers every day. However, I don’t feel I’m improving, because the people I talk to will not point out my problems. I’m also comfortable speaking at work but I only use the words I know repetitively. Any suggestions? Any platform is helpful? Most of the tools on the market are for beginners IMO.

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helikophis
In general, the only actual way to get to native speaker level is to speak regularly from a young age. There seem to be physical changes in the brain around the age of ten (though this varies from person to person) that make perfect acquisition after that age very rare. That said, there's often room for improvement, even if that won't ever get you to native level. It might be worth paying a coach or trainer, if you feel you're not getting enough feedback from the people around you to help you improve.
Big_Mess7555
You’re in a native speaking environment.. so just learn the same way kids do. Imitate ppl around you, and become hyperaware of the imitation so that you get it down to a t
AtheneSchmidt
Tell your friends, neighbors and co-workers that you would like them to point out problems or mistakes you make with your English. As a native speaker I don't point these things out to people outside of very defined circumstances (like subreddit specifically designed for that.) unless I am directly asked to. In other circumstances, it would be rude. I have some family who married foreign folks, and when they came home, those people requested that we help them improve their English. I am comfortable correcting or helping them *only* because I know they want help and requested it.
VocabAdventures
FWIW, your writing sounds great to me-- I dream of being as fluent as you are in a foreign language! If you are interested in reading to build your vocabulary, I am working on a series of short fiction for that purpose and would be happy to send you a copy for free to see if you like it. You can learn more about the story line and how it works here: [https://www.vocabadventures.com/lovelace-syndicate](https://www.vocabadventures.com/lovelace-syndicate) I hope you find a tool that works for you!
Chicoandthewoman
This happens so often. Once we reach a level where we're communicating successfully, we have less motivation to improve. The name for it is "fossilization." If you're fossilized, you have to do something different. To get feedback on your errors, I recommend hiring a tutor. Online tutors tend to be cheaper than in-person tutors. In the U.S., it's considered rude to correct someone's English in a conversation. I'm an ESL teacher, and even I am hesitant sometimes to correct my students if it's only a minor error. If you want to learn more English, you could use your tutor for that as well. You could also look for an in-person class that's intermediate or above. Those do exist! If you have a friend who's willing to help you learn, pick a funny TV series that the friend likes and use that to learn new expressions. You could watch 5 or 10 minutes, and then go back and watch that part again. This time stop when you don't understand something and ask him/her to explain it to you. I think that's much better than watching a show by yourself or studying by yourself because you understand how native speakers use the expressions.
Admirable-Freedom-Fr
I would say consider taking a college class or some intensive conversational class. Obviously the person instructing has to be high level proficiency because I think that person would point out your problems as you say. Curious what you think they are or do you just mean occasional mistakes that get overlooked by most?
ErinSedai
If there’s a co-worker you are comfortable enough with, ask them to correct / help you when they can. Usually it feels rude to correct someone but if they know you want them to it might help. The best is if you can find someone interested in learning your native language. I have a co-worker who wants to improve his English, and he speaks Spanish which is what I’m learning. We’ve made a deal to help each other, which makes us both more comfortable.
sshivaji
What is your native language?
holy__moly__
It’s so true that most people won’t want to correct you during conversation (because it takes effort, or because it can be perceived as rude, etc.) I built [Tellem.org](https://tellem.org) which is an AI you can practice speaking with (and it’s not afraid to correct you 🙂) I’ve met so many people facing the same issue!
l_lsw
Watch lots of TV and movies in English
Winterfall8888
Find a tutor. Talk to them about your problems, they can help you
QueenMackeral
Do you read books in English? You can try reading out loud as well. Its not exactly the same as speaking, but through exposure you'll pick up on really common sentences without having to memorize grammar.
divinelyshpongled
You hit the nail on the head. You NEED correction and to be able to ask questions about words and grammar so you can understand it better. You can do this yourself but you have to be very focused and able to analyze what you read in books etc quite well.. so this is where teachers come in to speed up the process and make it more effective
New-Cicada7014
You could ask them to help you improve your English! There may be IRL groups where non-native speakers get together to practice. Try to read more. It'll expand your vocabulary and cultural knowledge.
Icy-Run-6487
Why do you want to reach the level of native speaker while everyone can understand you clearly. English is just a tool for communication, take your time to learn something that's helpful for your career.
indrajeet12345
I would say that I want to speak English accurately and fluently. So please guide me and support me in this journey.I still have fear in mind - If I don't learn this language, I will not be able to achieve anything in my life. I have been learning English for 4 -5 years, but I didn't put in much effort before. However, now I'm giving it my all to become more confident and familiar with the English language.
dbasenka
Hey, I am in exactly the same situation as you are, but in the Netherlands. I think with grammar working with tutor and asking people around to correct you would work best. Maybe talk to GPT if you are organised person. For vocabulary it was frustrating to face and forget all the same words on meetings, in films, books, etc. I first collected words in notebook as Anki or Quizlet were too cumbersome and too much work. Then my friend helped me build Wöör [www.woor.app](http://www.woor.app) to collect and automatically generate exercise with my words. Check it if you think it might help you as well.
de_cachondeo
I think you might like this app, which is designed for higher levels - [https://biglanguages.com/spoken/](https://biglanguages.com/spoken/) Two reasons: 1. Each day it gives you a random topic to talk about, which will force you to talk about things using new and different vocabulary. 2. After you speak about the topic, it shows you the mistakes you made and you can try again without mistakes. Watch a demo here: [https://youtube.com/shorts/WIuIOSnHN80](https://youtube.com/shorts/WIuIOSnHN80) I work on this app so you if you have any more questions about it, let me know!
Liwi808
Have you asked people (coworkers, friends) to help you with your English? Tell them "hey, can you help me out with my English please? I would be okay if you pointed out my English mistakes every once in a while to help me improve" or something along those lines. People don't want to correct you unless they feel like they have permission, but some people are willing to. Figure out who those people are and speak with them.
grizzly_bear_05
try BoldVoice app..pretty slick!
rootsquasher
>actually get to native speaker level? At this point, I would say **TikTok** and streaming popular U.S. and U.K. TV shows on Hulu, Netflix, *etc.*
No_Brain7124
Like others have said, I’d recommend studying IN English! Take a class or two at a local community college, specifically in a composition class, which is a writing class that is meant for fluent English speakers to grow in their writing. Your professors won’t be afraid to correct your mistakes or help you understand! Take some literature classes as well as other courses you’re interested in. Also, read English books and watch English shows/movies. If you like theatre and music I’d really recommend watching some musicals, as they have a lot of nuance behind their words which takes some practice catching. I’d recommend Hamilton, it’s on Disney+ and has a bunch of things even I didn’t catch the first or second time around, and is just really good anyways in my opinion. It’ll also teach you some US history.
MangaOtakuJoe
Might wannaa try giving [https://go.italki.com/rtsgeneral3](https://go.italki.com/rtsgeneral3) a try. Used it for my german practice and it made wonders!
DancesWithDawgz
Do you want to boost your vocabulary? Or put the finishing touches on your accent? I have been impressed with the range of vocabulary in The Atlantic. You could also try studying GRE vocabulary lists.
KafkasProfilePicture
Read classic novels and a good quality newspaper (I recommend The Guardian because it has a high standard of English and access to the full online version is free) and have a good dictionary to hand so that you can clarify unknowns as you go.
wbenjamin13
Well you technically can’t become a native speaker if you aren’t one, that has to do with the time period you learned it in and how “baked-in” the grammar is as your brain’s basic way of parsing information. If you weren’t primarily speaking English between the ages of like 5 and 12, you won’t be a native speaker. But lots and lots of practice and immersion can get you to an excellent level of fluency, and perhaps even superior to many native speakers in terms of literacy, comprehension and vocabulary. But accents stick around pretty strongly, to the point that sometimes even first generation native English speakers retain some aspects of their parents’ accents. Based on what you’ve described it sounds like you’re already on your way but I would recommend trying to push yourself out of your comfort zone, constantly be immersing yourself in English conversation and listening to English language media, challenge yourself with harder and harder literature, practice vocabulary with workbooks or word games like crossword puzzles, etc. It’s not uncommon that people wouldn’t point out inadequacies if they don’t know that you’d want them to, it would be kind of rude if they did. I’d either find some friends that will do that in a supportive way, or consider either continuing to take classes or find something like an English conversation practice meetup at your local public library to get the sort of immersive conversation you need to practice where people will also point out errors.
Substantial-Kiwi3164
Study in English. Choose a topic you like (it could be anything like history, or art, etc..) and find out about it in English