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The Catholic Church has a new Pope and he's American. How to say his name? (spoken) : Leo XIV. Is it Leo The Fourteenth? or Leo Fourteen?

The Catholic Church has a new Pope and he's American. How to say his name? (spoken) : Leo XIV. Is it Leo The Fourteenth? or Leo Fourteen?

gustavsev
Just that: The Catholic Church has a ***new Pope*** and he's American born and raised in **Chicago, USA**. But how to say his name in English? (spoken) : Leo XIV. Is it Leo The Fourteenth? or Leo Fourteen?

32 comments

GiveMeTheCI•
"Leo the fourteenth" but there is no problem with simply calling him "Pope Leo" in any instance where it's clear you're talking about the current pope.
StupidLemonEater•
"Leo the Fourteenth." This is how you always pronounce regnal numbers of monarchs (which is what the Pope technically is). The same is true of regular people with a generational suffix (e.g. [Henry Ford II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford_II) or [Robert Griffin III](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Griffin_III)).
PopeInnocentXIV•
There was no regnal number after Francis because Francis I implies Francis II. If there is a Francis II in the future, the late pope will retroactively be called Francis I. Until then, he'll still be referred to as just Pope Francis. Although Pope John Paul I did call himself "John Paul the First."
SignalIndependent617•
the fourteenth
TimeVortex161•
It may get shortened to “Leo fourteen” if you have to say a bunch of popes in a row informally, like your listing them or talking about history (e.g. “John twenty-three and John Paul two seemed to be more willing to bring the church closer to the modern age than pius twelve did, and Leo fourteen seems to be following in their footsteps if his namesake Leo thirteen is anything to go by.”) I would stick to the formal “Leo the fourteenth” though, this is just a shorthand so that we don’t get hung up on all the numbers. That said “John Paul two” is somewhat common for this pope specifically, since John Paul I didn’t amount to much and it keeps the conversation topic clear.
ExtinctFauna•
Casually it's Pope Leo. Formally he's Pope Leo The Fourteenth.
Au1ket•
Pope Leo the Fourteenth, but you would write it as Pope Leo XIV or Leo XIV
JadeHarley0•
Leo the fourteenth.
Middcore•
Leo the Fourteenth. Why do you put **certain phrases** in **bold** or ***bold italic?***
sorryimgay•
This would be Leo the Fourteenth! The other comments are correct with their rulings on its pronounciation and writing. As a fun side note, in a a sub-group of people that play League of Legends there has been a dialect created for one of it's characters with a similar name. The character is Jarvan IV, correctly spoken as Jarvan the Fourt, has been shorthanded for quicker communication purposes. It's quicker to say "J-Four" or type "J4" in the game chat. I wouldn't think it to be strange if someone referred to the new pope as Leo Fourteen, but that's just me!
Twelve_012_7•
Third cursed option: Leo the Fourth Tenth, as I'm pretty sure is a translation of the latin-adiacent official form
dnsyh91•
Leo-14, it's like blink-182 or sum 41
TiberiusTheFish•
popes, kings etc always use ordinal numbers.
gameingareus•
Pope Leo The Fourteenth or just Pope Leo is fine.
FollowingRare6247•
In such situations we make use of « ordinal numbers ». It’s the same with the current King of England, the late Queen, etc. There may be exceptions to this if you see a roman numeral beside a name - but the idea is (I think) there’s a number of other Leos, Charleses, and Elizabeths so there should be a way to specify which one we talk about. People should know what you’re talking about if you just say « King Charles » or « Pope Leo » though, because of context. I would recommend using the numbers to refer to historical figures though. Your message should be understandable for fluent speakers even if you say « Leo Fourteen » though, but as a learner go for accuracy.
ClassicPop6840•
It’s not that deep, and I’m Catholic. It’s just Pope Leo. End of discussion. 🙄
gmammu•
I know this may sound strange but I think Leo Fourteenth it's the way
EpiZirco•
Since he’s from the south side of Chicago, I would call him Bad, Bad, Leo Brown.
FredoGaming•
I feel like everyone here has given the official answer, yes it is Leo the Fourteenth. However, I would disagree that Leo Fourteen is strictly wrong. It is certainly not official or what you should refer to him as 'professionally' however, there are plenty of times where people refer to monarchs etc. like that (like saying Liz Two for Queen Elizabeth the Second). I doubt it would be polite (popelite?) but, it works casually/informally/comedially. My first instinct was to think of the Horrible Histories monarchs song tbh.
SoupHot7079•
Leo who loves 14 yr olds.
hatredpants2•
Typically, we’d say Leo the Fourteenth. Leo Fourteen sounds a little unusual to my ears, but nobody would be confused if you said that.
HolyBonobos•
"Leo **the** Fourteenth." Always written as "Leo XIV" though.
bestbeefarm•
I've been saying "the fourteenth" in general in English you read roman numerals as "the xth". I think there's maybe some kind of special situation with Popes because I've definitely heard "John Paul two" idk I'm not Catholic.
Shevyshev•
You have your answer. But this reminds me of when, many years ago, a relatively primitive GPS system took me down “Malcolm the Tenth” boulevard in Boston. (Malcolm X is a proper name - pronounced Malcolm Ecks.)
Appropriate_Milk_775•
Pontifex Maximus Leo the fourteenth of his name. The Bishop of Rome, The Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Patriarch of the West, Primate of Italy, Metropolitan Archbishop of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the Vatican City State, Servant of the Servants of God. Or “Pope Leo the fourteenth” for short.
hina123hhi•
hi
nerdyyinzer•
It's pronounced "Lee-ok-siv"
Nice_Blackberry6662•
Leo the Fourteenth, or if you want to be fancy and use his latin name: LEO Quartus Decimus
skuteren•
Leo The Fourteenth same as in John Paul The Second
After-Dentist-2480•
It's pronounced "Lee-ox-iv"
Ok_Efficiency5464•
So not Leo Ehks-eve?
SnooDonuts6494•
I can't imagine any occasion where I'd need to specify his regnal number, in speech. "Pope Leo" is surely fine. But yes, if necessary, "...the fourteenth".